Fave Pre-Workout?

[smoovy]

I stayed away from pre-workouts ever since USB Labs was putting that ingredient in their Jackd that was killing people. Had heart surgery when I was a baby so I thought it was wise to stay clear of all pre-workouts until the smoke clears. I've noticed tho that after a cycle, pre-workouts help a lot, anyone have some good recommendations? I've heard GAT's is a good one but I'm weary bout trying it..

[Ironguruera]

I don't feel pre workouts are healthy and should not be consumed regularly IMHO. I feel all the stimulants dehydrate me. Mostly I train at almost 8pm and they would keep me up until 2am lol.

I prefer to keep it simple and healthier. I like labrada power carb(Karbolyn with electrolytes added), 5 grams micronized Bcaa, beef isolate protein, dessicated beef liver(full amino complex).

That's the best simple combo I've found yet. The Bcaa, aminos, and Karbolyn really keep me fueled and not gassing out so fast. Not heavy I just ate a meal bloating feeling like trying to eat a meal before training can often do.

[Vicious 13]

I like nsane gun powder vasocor or this new one I think is called pre workout or something I think

[xdude]

I occasionally use iforce maximize....which used to have a nice warm up effect and then let you crash... but they keep changing the formula ...

the current version is just way too strong and the flavor used to be good.. now it is really bitter...I just pound down a half dose..

they advertise stacking it with Hemavol. I tried that a couple times ...it gets a little bit too intense .. gives a freaky intense pump .. and a couple a couple days later I had a blood test and the doc ask what I was doing ..my kidney and liver numbers were a little off ...

[bionic redneck]

i just drink coffee... or green tea...lol

[MuscleAddiction]

Cellucor C4 Extreme is the wife and my favorite, I also like the occasional TNE blast too :D. No but seriously C4 and another I use is Noxipro. You are probably smart limiting your use if you had heart surgery when younger, coffee or green tea is a good option too.

[smoovy]

I actually tried C4 a few times, can't remember if I liked it or not. Maybe I'll just stick with the coffee/carb mix, I LOVE black coffee, and it seems a little safer and healthier.

This is probably a long shot, but has anyone tried Tectanic from Protein Factory?? Looks healthy but the price is insane...

[xdude]

Maybe I'll just stick with the coffee/carb mix, I LOVE black coffee, and it seems a little safer and healthier. .

I did a ECA stack for years before working out ..
before idiots learned to cook Ephedra into Meyth you could buy a bottle of 100 for about $5 , a bottle would last months ... it was a good pump up and got the blood flowing.... but I tell you right now it effected your sleep ...you could not take that any where's close to bed time .. you can still get ephedrine in blister packs ( to slow the meyth heads down... and no big deal to me) but it was $40 for 100... I am curious if all these laws did anything to slow the use of meyth ..

but I digress coffee will keep you up , and all these stims are probably bad for you...

[Layddually2]

C4 is a good one I also like bullnox, assault, shit I forgot the name of the other one. Right now I have some 1mr and angel dust. Angel dust makes me feel like I just did meth.

[SisterSteel]

Cellucor C4 Extreme is the wife and my favorite, I also like the occasional TNE blast too :D. No but seriously C4 and another I use is Noxipro. You are probably smart limiting your use if you had heart surgery when younger, coffee or green tea is a good option too.

I'll have to check out this C4 Extreme. I've tried Jack3d a couple times in the past and it helped give me that extra "umph" to really push myself. How's it compare to the that?

[Mattingly]

My lifting partners liked C4 until I had them try Pump HD recently. Best preworkout I have used yet. I am alternating Pump HD and SuperDrive every other month. Been working very well.

[chrisotpherm]

150mg tne. Case close oh and some cialis. Lol.

[MuscleAddiction]

I'll have to check out this C4 Extreme. I've tried Jack3d a couple times in the past and it helped give me that extra "umph" to really push myself. How's it compare to the that?

It is comparable IMO, without 1,3 Dimethylamylamine...the creatine nitrate gives a really nice pump throughout the workout too. I think you will like it Sis...the Noxipro does have 1, 3 D in it but sometimes at 4:30 am that is welcomed. I liked Jack3D, Assault was ok...just the size of the scoops were a bit large, and some others I can't recall the name of.

[MuscleAddiction]

My lifting partners liked C4 until I had them try Pump HD recently. Best preworkout I have used yet. I am alternating Pump HD and SuperDrive every other month. Been working very well.

Made by who? Will have to try that one!

[Mattingly]

Pump HD is BPI. SuperDrive is Gaspari.

[Exerciseordie]

Noxipro is no longer made so if you want it better get it now. There are so many good ones out there that haven't been posted here. I hate cellucor products overall. Never tried anything good from them. Never bad but comparable to other products for the same/cheaper price....nah.

[Exerciseordie]

Pump HD is BPI. SuperDrive is Gaspari.

Superdrive is pretty alright. I like condense over pump HD all day (purus labs).

[Ironguruera]

Ok I might have to try some
Of these. I seriously think I have samples of them all plus many not mentioned! Ill use em on days I don't train late. Once in a while is fine!
If I find a good one that makes me ox strong like hemo rage concentrate did then I can hit my 315 for bench sooner then later! I know toddler weight....gotta start someplace lol.

[Layddually2]

Teen girl weight. Lol that girl made me feel like a big puss.

[Ironguruera]

Teen girl weight. Lol that girl made me feel like a big puss.

as Dorian used to say.....it's a good weight for a small woman lol.

[Layddually2]

Well I still can't believe that skinny 14yo girl benched 315

[Ironguruera]

Well I still can't believe that skinny 14yo girl benched 315

Lol what do u speak of??

There's this Eskimo looking chick that went to the golds I used to go to. She wore a thick PL belt and was always doing OHP,squats, BP etc. I never payed much attention to her cause she was hideous lol. Well one day she asks me for a spot on bench. I was like hmmm curious what she puts up....I go over there and she literally has a 10lb plate and a 5 on each side.....I was like WTF I assume she is being lazy and called me over to help load up the bar for her! Nope! She gets under the bar and I was like WTF she has to be messing with me?? Am I on candid camera or some shit?? Nope! She wanted a spot for that weight!

My buddy in the gym saw the whole
Thing unfold and died laughing when I came his way!! He was like WTF was that all about??? I was flabbergasted! I was like bro I have no clue what just happened!

[Layddually2]

Video is on YouTube idk how to post it since my new phone doesn't work right lol. Girl did 315 bench at this years mr o she is 14

[Vicious 13]

That's a scary looking chick

[Ironguruera]

That's a scary looking chick

Lol ill check it out for sure. She's prob 6' 2" 300 lbs with upper lip hair

[Layddually2]

No she is a little blonde girl with some pink in her hair I was wrong it was 310lbs not 315 lol.

[SisterSteel]

Everyone should look up April Mathis. She's the only chick to bench 405 raw. I admire her work ethic but you shouldn't sacrifice everything to put up a WR imho.

[Encino_Mang]

Everyone should look up April Mathis. She's the only chick to bench 405 raw. I admire her work ethic but you shouldn't sacrifice everything to put up a WR imho.


Ummmm she is very handsome

[Layddually2]

Hey April Mathis looks like a chick at metro flex I thought was a guy till she said she competed in women's pl then I was confused lol.

[Ironguruera]

Hey April Mathis looks like a chick at metro flex I thought was a guy till she said she competed in women's pl then I was confused lol.


Lmfao!!! One of your best posts lol

That's totally how I felt with that Eskimo PL. WTF just happened?!? Lol

[Layddually2]

http://youtu.be/JHH24Ecpz24

[SisterSteel]

Lmfao!!! One of your best posts lol

That's totally how I felt with that Eskimo PL. WTF just happened?!? Lol

What happened is they decided to run anything and everything to win and set new records. They weren't pretty to begin with so they didn't care what happened to them. April is damn near bald and weighs in around 260. Personally, I don't think she has helped our sport at all. If that's what it takes to bench 405 raw..... than I don't want to achieve that.

[Mattingly]

Ummmm she is very handsome

Dude, literally laughed out loud!

[Mattingly]

Every time I try to get into the PL BP position with the feet that far back and that much back arch I get cramps all over like a little dehydrated douche. Hell, I think I pulled my groin tying my shoes this morning!

[Ironguruera]

http://youtu.be/JHH24Ecpz24

Lol she's not that hideous actually. Just looks European.
My back could never in a trillion years bend like that!!! Wide fucking grip geez!

[Ironguruera]

Every time I try to get into the PL BP position with the feet that far back and that much back arch I get cramps all over like a little dehydrated douche. Hell, I think I pulled my groin tying my shoes this morning!

Lmfao!! I can't come too far back with my feet like that girl either or arch my back that much! Tying my shoes has become a pain in the ass I need to stretch more!

[Encino_Mang]

What's up with the can of pudding she taps on her chest?

[MuscleAddiction]

What's up with the can of pudding she taps on her chest?

The supplement company MHP makes Protein Pudding, what I would think just a cute marketing tactic...a 14 year old girl, WHO IF THAT WAS MY DAUGHTER I WOULD BE HELLA PROUD, bench pressing 310lbs off a can of pudding...get it? She must be a daughter or sister of a powerlifter.

[Layddually2]

Her dad I believe is a PL I watched this thing on her she started training young.

[Mattingly]

Do or can any of you bench with what would be considered a very wide grip?

I am honestly at the point that I may have to drop barbell for dumbbell completely. I was benching 350 for reps a few months ago well on my way back to over 400 and my left shoulder has gotten so bad now that I can't warmup with the bar without excruciating pain. I can't even sleep on my left side anymore? If I even try to flex my traps the pain is intense in my left shoulder.

But get this, I can military DB press with 100s with almost no pain during the movement. Any of you dealt with anything similar. It really seems that flat or decline I have pain, but the more I raise the incline the pain lessens?? I don't have time for doctors or surgery but fear I may be headed there. Any advice/insight/personal experience is greatly appreciated!

[Ironguruera]

Do or can any of you bench with what would be considered a very wide grip?

I am honestly at the point that I may have to drop barbell for dumbbell completely. I was benching 350 for reps a few months ago well on my way back to over 400 and my left shoulder has gotten so bad now that I can't warmup with the bar without excruciating pain. I can't even sleep on my left side anymore? If I even try to flex my traps the pain is intense in my left shoulder.

But get this, I can military DB press with 100s with almost no pain during the movement. Any of you dealt with anything similar. It really seems that flat or decline I have pain, but the more I raise the incline the pain lessens?? I don't have time for doctors or surgery but fear I may be headed there. Any advice/insight/personal experience is greatly appreciated!

I've never tried benching that wide of a grip before. I realize they do it to lessen the distant the bar has to travel. I'm
Still doing more of a hybrid approach vs full on PL.
My right shoulder was getting inflamed during benching but I attributed to poor form as I am new to bar benching. I always used DB or hammer machines before as I train alone. I recently bought a mark bell slingshot to help me keep proper form. It has my shoulder doesn't bother me anymore and I'm benching more then I ever have.

I also warm up with band pull aparts. The gym doesn't have the exact band they use they have more like sling shot material ones with handles on each end. I just grab the tube portion and let the handles flop around.
I only go through the circuit 1 time
Through as to not totally fatigue the rotator cuff. Once done with my chest/benching work I do 2 more circuits.

[Mattingly]

I will look up that mark bell slingshot. I wish my shoulder pain was just when benching. I get it washing my hair and brushing my teeth. Can barely lift my arm above my head today. Taking a couple days off and icing it to see if it feels a little better.

[Ironguruera]

I will look up that mark bell slingshot. I wish my shoulder pain was just when benching. I get it washing my hair and brushing my teeth. Can barely lift my arm above my head today. Taking a couple days off and icing it to see if it feels a little better.

U can't put perfume on a pig bro....it's still a pig.

If its that bad it's prob surgery time. I'd lay of bar benching and try those band pull aparts. If that doesn't help....surgery time IMHO.

[MuscleAddiction]

Just grabbed some C4 from a1supplements.com...buy 2 get 1 free, so $59.00 for 3-30 serving tubs if guys are interested in trying it.

[MuscleAddiction]

I will look up that mark bell slingshot. I wish my shoulder pain was just when benching. I get it washing my hair and brushing my teeth. Can barely lift my arm above my head today. Taking a couple days off and icing it to see if it feels a little better.

Yeah as much as it sucks to rest it...that is what you are going to have to do Matty...don't push it, it won't get better by aggravating it buddy.

[Mattingly]

You guys are right but I have come so far and just cant imagine a forced layoff of any kind. It flared up real bad like this a few months ago. I switched to DB for chest presses and military for awhile and the pain became much more manageable. Will try that again and lighten up for 4 weeks. If it is still this bad I will go to the doctor.

I had hurt my back real bad several years ago. Gained a ton of weight over a couple years as I couldnt work out and then just lost my desire the worse I felt and looked. When I felt better I couldnt believe what I had "let"happen to my physique. I weighed in last week and finally broke the 100lbs lost mark. I am down 101.2 as we sit today. I cant stop now!

[Mattingly]

Here we are again today...lots of work to go but damn proud of what I have accomplished this year.

1975

[MuscleAddiction]

Nice work buddy...do some floor presses and flys, that way your elbows don't drop down past your shoulders. Zed introduced these to me and make a world of difference. Use DB when doing them...see how they feel.

[Encino_Mang]

Do or can any of you bench with what would be considered a very wide grip?

I am honestly at the point that I may have to drop barbell for dumbbell completely. I was benching 350 for reps a few months ago well on my way back to over 400 and my left shoulder has gotten so bad now that I can't warmup with the bar without excruciating pain. I can't even sleep on my left side anymore? If I even try to flex my traps the pain is intense in my left shoulder.

But get this, I can military DB press with 100s with almost no pain during the movement. Any of you dealt with anything similar. It really seems that flat or decline I have pain, but the more I raise the incline the pain lessens?? I don't have time for doctors or surgery but fear I may be headed there. Any advice/insight/personal experience is greatly appreciated!

A loooooooooooooooooooooonnnnng time ago I hurt my shoulder doing behind the neck press..........had to have surgery to repair shoulder impingement.........fucking thing has never been right and like you flat and decline aggravate it.

Inclines are ok but everytime I go back to flat I get hurt.

All I do are inclines now

I'll probably never do flat heavy again........flat DB movements are ok

If had a do over I should have just chained myself to the squat rack for 6 months and it may have corrected itself (maybe) surgery didn't help (me) in IMO

[Mattingly]

Nice work buddy...do some floor presses and flys, that way your elbows don't drop down past your shoulders. Zed introduced these to me and make a world of difference. Use DB when doing them...see how they feel.

Thx MA, i do incorporate floor presses. They now hurt when they didnt before. I find it interesting that as soon as I start adding incline the pain reduces? Flat to decline is excruciating.

[Mattingly]

A loooooooooooooooooooooonnnnng time ago I hurt my shoulder doing behind the neck press..........had to have surgery to repair shoulder impingement.........fucking thing has never been right and like you flat and decline aggravate it.

Inclines are ok but everytime I go back to flat I get hurt.

All I do are inclines now

I'll probably never do flat heavy again........flat DB movements are ok

If had a do over I should have just chained myself to the squat rack for 6 months and it may have corrected itself (maybe) surgery didn't help (me) in IMO

Glad I am not crazy. Usually people struggle with incline or military. Like you, my issue is flat to decline. Hell, if I raise the incline on the bench one notch up from flat the pain reduces very noticably. Maybe I should just use common sense and stop doing things that hurt. LOL!

[Encino_Mang]

Maybe I should just use common sense and stop doing things that hurt. LOL!

Yup I'm the same way.......dips hurt it also.........skulls fuck my elbows up and yea I always have to try them to see if they are still a no go.......they always are......it does suck I used to love dips, behind the neck, skulls........all are off limits it takes too long to get over injury..............anymore I just do what doesn't hurt

[Ironguruera]

Yup I'm the same way.......dips hurt it also.........skulls fuck my elbows up and yea I always have to try them to see if they are still a no go.......they always are......it does suck I used to love dips, behind the neck, skulls........all are off limits it takes too long to get over injury..............anymore I just do what doesn't hurt

Lol that funny I always try to revisit skull crushers. They always hurt as well.

Yes it's crucial to listen to the body. If it hurts stop right away!

[Mattingly]

So true guys. I keep trying to flat bench, dips, etc. same result every time. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. We will never learn! ;-)

[Ironguruera]

So true guys. I keep trying to flat bench, dips, etc. same result every time. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. We will never learn! ;-)

Ohh I openly admit I'm insane lol.

[Mattingly]

I'm right there with ya kid!

[xdude]

No she is a little blonde girl with some pink in her hair I was wrong it was 310lbs not 315 lol.

I was at a bench contest once ..there was this dude that was soaking wet 135 and bench 365 ...
he was freakishly small boned ...all muscle. you remember the 90 lb weakling ads in the back of the comic book this was him.. he looked like a fair small dude... took off his shirt and there was this Jacked dude .. to be honest .. I questioned why he was wearing a shirt... he was instantly robbed of his jacked physique .. ... anyhow you never know what is under the shirt?

[Ironguruera]

I was at a bench contest once ..there was this dude that was soaking wet 135 and bench 365 ...
he was freakishly small boned ...all muscle. you remember the 90 lb weakling ads in the back of the comic book this was him.. he looked like a fair small dude... took off his shirt and there was this Jacked dude .. to be honest .. I questioned why he was wearing a shirt... he was instantly robbed of his jacked physique .. ... anyhow you never know what is under the shirt?

Yup! Strength and size are often misleading! IMHO strength is genetic. It's about tendon and ligament tie in points. Sure anyone can become stronger but some guys just have it!

My buddy benches 465 for reps at 225lbs on his last set not just 1rm starting fresh. He is close to 505. seated military presses 365. I don't care WTF I do....I could never catch his ass. He is mutant strong! After like 2 month deployment he seated shoulder pressed 225 like It was no big deal. Mutants I tell ya!

[BigKev53]

Was using pump hd....just tried the new 1Mr vortex....pretty awesome all around

[itsdanr]

Not actually a preworkout but Redline energy drink got me going pretty good. I seemed to fatigue faster but the pump was insane. On the way out of the gym I couldn't even reach back to put my hood up.

[PhoenixBlood]

I use Hemavol most of the time. Although I've got a supplement rack with more pre-workouts than I could ever have. I usually take something like Redline for energy or some other caffeine source pre-workout.