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Ironguruera
11-08-2013, 10:02 PM
Why eat desiccated cow liver like the old school boys did?

Check out this amino load!!! From a biological source too.
1849

I just got this brand to try. I feel very good today off them. Ill test them in vinegar when I get home.
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I've tried uni-liver, triple potency liver, natures something. So far highly impressed with these! They are also the smallest pills of any of them.

For max absorption I either bite them in half or chew them....be warned. Fucking terrible. I like to torture test myself lol.

ineedtogrow
11-09-2013, 11:53 PM
I actually enjoy cooked beef liver. Cook it up on the stove top, make some gravy, potatoes, cooked carrots and I'm set! Good shit

Ironguruera
11-10-2013, 02:17 AM
I actually enjoy cooked beef liver. Cook it up on the stove top, make some gravy, potatoes, cooked carrots and I'm set! Good shit

I haven't tried cooked liver in ages. Has a bizarre flavor and smell to me last I tried it.

It's no wonder an animal always goes for the liver of their kill. They are much smarter then us lol!

krustus
11-10-2013, 03:14 PM
organ meats are full of nutrients... American culture just doesn't eat them (i don't) but if you were in the wild .. you probably wouldn't survive without eating organ meats. they have all the nutrients. i forget the exact things but liver contains tons of b vitamins and more vitamin c than like 10plus oranges.

prc603
11-10-2013, 06:37 PM
it filters out waste. probly a good reason we don t eat them often

krustus
11-10-2013, 09:59 PM
Conventional dietary wisdom holds that the micronutrients (vitamins, minerals and trace elements) we need from foods are most highly concentrated in fruits and vegetables. While it’s true that fresh fruits and veggies are full of vitamins and minerals, their micronutrient content pales in comparison to what is found in meats and organ meats – especially liver.

from an article on the web.... i think its really just our culture.. hell some cultures eat monkey brains.

SisterSteel
11-11-2013, 10:44 AM
You also have to wonder how much is lost when you cook it? A lot of people believe that meats lose some of their nutrients when they are heavily cooked.

Ironguruera
11-11-2013, 12:05 PM
You also have to wonder how much is lost when you cook it? A lot of people believe that meats lose some of their nutrients when they are heavily cooked.

So true sister! I take the liver pills with my meals ESP meats to help make the meal more nutrient dense and hopefully get more out it by having a big amino load present. I also use digestive enzymes with my meals to further enhance nutrient assimilation.

Ecto
12-29-2013, 09:29 AM
Just ordered me some. Pretty cheap in price too. I believe in the old school way :)

Ironguruera
12-29-2013, 01:16 PM
Just ordered me some. Pretty cheap in price too. I believe in the old school way :)

They should really energize u when u 1st start taking them! If I feel like I'm getting sick I take tons and it seems to help ward off sickness.

MuscleAddiction
12-29-2013, 01:53 PM
Interesting...would go the supplement route instead of eating it, I too am old school ;)

Ironguruera
12-30-2013, 01:32 AM
Interesting...would go the supplement route instead of eating it, I too am old school ;)

Check em out guys. I like this carnivor brand as well as healthy n fit brand. Uni-liver is just ok.

zedhed
01-04-2014, 01:14 PM
Thanks for the gr8 post iron. Since I have suddenly become lactose intol I need to find something to replace whey with. This sounds like it could work.

Ironguruera
01-04-2014, 02:48 PM
Thanks for the gr8 post iron. Since I have suddenly become lactose intol I need to find something to replace whey with. This sounds like it could work.

These should surely help!

Have u tried egg protein or beef isolate protein zed?
I'm lactose intolerant. Almost all whey protein messes with me and it all bloats me a tad. Took be only half my life to figure that out lol.
I still eat dairy when I want and just use those fast active lactate pills. They really help.
Sometimes I just need some pizza or sharp cheddar and crackers damn it lol!

zedhed
01-04-2014, 03:39 PM
Yeah been using the Lactaid pills but the really dont help much. The odd thing is this happened like over night. Up till several weeks ago no dairy bothered me at all. Then the next day the trots every time I do any dairy product. WTF is that?

Ironguruera
01-04-2014, 05:24 PM
Yeah been using the Lactaid pills but the really dont help much. The odd thing is this happened like over night. Up till several weeks ago no dairy bothered me at all. Then the next day the trots every time I do any dairy product. WTF is that?

Lol I hear ya bro its weird I can actually eat pizza without them ok most times.
Ice cream fucks me up in like 20 seconds!! Same with sharp cheese!

I find the key to the lactaids is to take them before I start eating dairy and sometimes again while eating it.

Honestly I bet u have just finally pinpointed the dietary trigger. Most ppl never realize food allergies unless severe. It took me so fucking long to figure mine out. Since I started BB again 3 yrs or so ago my diet is very similar day in day out so if I ate something it was much easier to test my theories.
U sure u never had issues before?

Brown rice is horrible for me...should be illegal as far as I'm concerned lol.

zedhed
01-04-2014, 10:45 PM
Nah man I was drinking 1 to 3 shakes a day for years. Then all of a sudden started getting the trots. Finally narrowed it down to milk, ice cream and cheese.

Ironguruera
01-04-2014, 10:47 PM
Nah man I was drinking 1 to 3 shakes a day for years. Then all of a sudden started getting the trots. Finally narrowed it down to milk, ice cream and cheese.

Interesting. Lmao at trots!!

zedhed
01-04-2014, 11:35 PM
Trying to be nice in the phraseology.

Ironguruera
01-05-2014, 12:09 AM
Trying to be nice in the phraseology.

U should know u hardly have to pull your punches with me !

JerseyDevil
01-05-2014, 10:38 AM
Growing up as a kid I never was a picky eater. But the one thing I refused to eat was cow liver... YUCK!!!!! My mom would say 'their are people in China starving', and I came back with "well send it to them!!!!!'.

Ironguruera
01-05-2014, 02:01 PM
Growing up as a kid I never was a picky eater. But the one thing I refused to eat was cow liver... YUCK!!!!! My mom would say 'their are people in China starving', and I came back with "well send it to them!!!!!'.

I can't stomach eating liver it's nasty as hell. These pills are flavorless lol.

Well actually some guys chew them and that's horrid. I just bite them in half most times to speed up assimilation.

If u do chew them u get a nice rush off of them....but they do NOT taste good lol.

zedhed
01-05-2014, 04:50 PM
Love me some liver. Liver n onions now thats some good stuff. With green beans or broch.

Ironguruera
01-05-2014, 05:52 PM
Love me some liver. Liver n onions now thats some good stuff. With green beans or broch.

Then chew these pills u sicko. Might be like candy do u lol!

zedhed
01-05-2014, 07:12 PM
LMFAO:eek:

Ironguruera
01-05-2014, 07:47 PM
Lol liver has the weirded flavor and unique smell that turns me off!

ineedtogrow
01-05-2014, 09:30 PM
Love me some liver. Liver n onions now thats some good stuff. With green beans or broch.

Oh man I'm getting hungry now! I grew up with that and my mom could make AWESOME liver and onions and make a killer gravy for mashed potatoes with it.

ineedtogrow
01-05-2014, 09:34 PM
Lol liver has the weirded flavor and unique smell that turns me off!

You are missing out bro! If you had somebody who really knew how to cook up some good liver I'm sure you'd think differently.

Ironguruera
01-05-2014, 11:24 PM
You are missing out bro! If you had somebody who really knew how to cook up some good liver I'm sure you'd think differently.

Horseshit! U can't put perfume
On a pig. It's still a pig!

Lol I'd try it but not promises...I'm open minded with trying new foods ESP different cultures.

zedhed
01-19-2014, 11:06 AM
Iron how many per day. Vince Gironda had his guys taking them every 2-3 hours. But they fail to say how many at a time.

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zedhed
01-19-2014, 11:09 AM
How come you gonna put them in vinegar?

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kazman68
01-19-2014, 12:40 PM
Iron how many per day. Vince Gironda had his guys taking them every 2-3 hours. But they fail to say how many at a time.

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I used to take 4-5 Ultra 40(Beverley International) beef liver with meals. Pre-contest. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bev/beef.html

zedhed
01-19-2014, 04:05 PM
Vince had his guys taking them every 2-3 hours. But dont know the total for the day.

zedhed
01-19-2014, 05:01 PM
Nuther interesting tidbit. Last one I promise.:cool:

Since the dawn of history, liver has been eaten fresh from the hunt almost as a ceremony of the prey animal's strength, courage, and endurance. Primitive man had no knowledge of vitamins, but his instincts were fairly good. It was customary, after the killing of a buffalo or large game, he would eat parts of the liver or other internal organs raw, almost immediately. Even today, some indigenous cultures around the world continue this practice of reserving the liver of animals for their leaders, warriors, and athletes. Warriors we are.

What Is It?
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Everyone's grandmother served them liver, usually some messy concoction involving onions, at least once in their life. She assured you lovingly that it was good for you, as you looked at it like a plate of poison had been set before you. Don't worry about the smell. Just a rose spoiled. Why does granny's house always smell funny anyway? And why are the dinner table legs always sitting in little tins of water? Ants!

Back to dinner .. Liver -- this was when your culinary gauntlet was laid down for the first time in your young life -- either you loved it, or you vowed never to approach the stuff again without threatening granny's life first, rest of the family and your inheritance be damned.

But granny was right, just as she always has been as you got older, you've noticed. It is good for you. Bodybuilders and other athletes realized it early on too, but they hated the taste as well. So someone decided to take all the liquid and fat out of it, and put it in a tablet so it could be swallowed without tasting it. Goodness! Genius!

Today, desiccated defatted liver is whole beef liver that has been concentrated using a vacuum and freeze drying process, utilizing no heat in the procedure. This process concentrates the nutritional content while removing the fat, connective tissues, and water without destroying any of the healthful ingredients via heat.

In almost all cases, the desiccated liver comes from fresh, hormone-free, organically raised, Argentine beef liver, carefully processed to preserve all the nutritional elements while removing any unnecessary components.

Why Argentina?
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First, the cows supposedly live a life of luxury at home in the Pampas region of Argentina. A region of Argentina that is fertile in natural alfalfa, wheat, and oat grasses. The cattle roam freely on the grand, rich, grasslands. Organic cattle in the Pampas are required by the Argentine Cattle Association to be raised "stress free." They are never given any hormones, branded, or herded aggressively. The animals live outside, free range, running free. Law requires one acre of pasture land per organic designated cow. La Moo.

Just as the liver concentrates everything that is good for the body, it can also concentrate everything that is bad. Cattle from other countries, good ole USA included, have hormones, chemicals, antibiotics, pesticides & herbicides (from the plant matter they eat), fertilizers, drugs, steroids, and who knows what else, possibly concentrated in their livers. Not to mention the practice of taking meat scraps from the slaughter house and recycled back to the other cows. Mad cow. Madder mad cow. Wash. Repeat.

Be sure to look for Argentinean, organic, liver in any product you choose.

What's In It?
=========

Well, umm ... liver.

Protein: 60-80%.

Vitamins: A, B-complex (B-1, B-2, B-6, B-12, choline, inositol, biotine, niacin, pantothenic acid, folic acid, PABA), C, D, E, K, lipotropics choline & inositol.

Minerals: calcium, chromium, copper, heme iron, manganese, phosphorus, potassium, selenium, sodium, & zinc.

Amino acids: alanine, arginine, aspartic acid, cysteine, cystine, glutamic acid, glycine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, proline, serine, threonine, tyrosine, tryptophan, valine

According to Vince Gironda, the "Iron Guru", in addition to these known nutrients, there are substances present in liver that have a beneficial effect on health, fitness, and endurance -- such as cytochrome P-450 (more about this later) and others yet to be identified. He said that desiccated liver contains nucleic acids for proper amino acid utilization, a growth factor, and an anti-estrogen factor, which keeps testosterone levels high, and it is also a great anti-toxin.

Heme Iron
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Iron is an essential mineral and an important component of proteins involved in oxygen transport and metabolism within your body. Almost two-thirds of the iron in your body is found in hemoglobin, the protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen to your body's tissues. Smaller amounts of iron are found in myoglobin, a protein that helps supply oxygen directly to muscle tissue, and in enzymes that assist biochemical reactions in cells. About 14-16 percent of your body's iron is stored for future needs and mobilized when dietary supplies are inadequate. The remainder iron is in your body's tissues as part of proteins that help your body function.

There are two forms of iron available from your diet: Heme and Non-Heme. Heme iron is found in red meats, poultry, and fish. Non-Heme iron is found in both plant, animal, and mineral sources. Note that Heme iron is not available from any vegetarian source in any significant quantity, if at all.

Now, exactly what is the difference between the two, and why would anyone care, you ask?

Well, most iron supplements found in your neighborhood health food store are 'inorganic', which is not easily absorbed by your body and can cause symptoms such as abdominal cramping, diarrhea, dark stools, etc. It can even be dangerous if too much is taken -- this is the Non-Heme iron. It's generally a molecule of iron compound not 'organically wrapped'. Non-Heme iron tends to be poorly absorbed, and is well known to generate the formation of free radicals, molecules that damage cell membranes throughout the body. Think of it as particles of rust, circulating throughout your body. Where's the Rust-Oleum?

That's why our body has magically found a way insulate us from our own body's iron by placing it within what is called a Heme ring (hemoglobin), effectively wrapping the iron in a plastic coated cover, keeping it pure and non-rusted. We need the iron for oxygen transfer, but we also need to be protected from it internally. Heme iron is this same natural form of iron already found and used in our own body. Rarely has an overdose occurred in taking Heme iron supplements. It's readily absorbed, and almost immediately usable by your body.

The richest source of natural occurring Heme iron is liver.

Again, remember that Heme iron is involved in every process of oxygen transfer in your body, and almost all metabolic & protein synthesis processes.

The Mysterious Cytochrome P-450
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Vince Gironda mentioned it decades ago, and many current advertisements mention it with, or without, giving him credit. I'm willing to bet none of the advertisers know what it is or what it does.

Our liver pills have P-450 components! Don't trust those other guys! And besides, they're using platypus livers!

However, no one ever attempts to explain exactly what this mysterious P-450 component is, or what it does.

I won't either.

Okay, not really, especially since you've made it this far

Cytochrome P-450 is a family of the body's more powerful detoxification enzymes. Over 60 forms are now known, with hundreds of genetic variations possible, producing a wide variety of susceptibility to specific toxins. This is an enzyme family that your body uses to attack substances that you ingest -- substances that it considers detrimental, foreign, or poisonous to your operating system, by making them more water soluble in an attempt to eliminate them from your body through normal means.

For instance, in the case of carbon monoxide poisoning, your P-450 response immediately attempts to capture and isolate the CO molecules to protect your body from being poisoned. If the response is small, such as from a cigarette, or breathing exhaust fumes, your body has the ability to neutralize the attack through the P-450 enzyme reactions quickly and efficiently. Of course, like many systems, it too can be overwhelmed and possibly fail. On the other hand, it only makes sense that if you can supplement your body's natural P-450 defense system, you only make it stronger.

In fact, it is such a powerful responder, that pharmaceutical companies have to design their new drugs around your body�s P-450 attack responders, spending literally millions of research dollars to work around it.

Cytochrome P-450 proteins in humans are also drug metabolizing enzymes and enzymes that are used to make cholesterol, steroids, and other important lipids in your body.

The name Cytochrome P-450 derives from the manner in which they reflect light under analysis, and that these proteins have a Heme group attached. There's that 'Heme' word again. Beginning to notice a pattern here?

Many of the ancillary functions of P-450 hadn't been fully understood until the Human Genome Project had been completed in 2003, along with further DNA experimentation, and the genes for P-450 were specifically investigated. The first crystallization of a mammalian P-450 substance, for instance, didn't occur until 1999.

How Vince Gironda was on to this substance in the early '70s is anyone's guess. Genius? Psychic? Alien? Cranky alien?

Okay, Enough Already -- What Do Liver Tablets Do?
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Desiccated Liver, the Wonder Energy Food!, Vince Gironda, Blueprint for the Bodybuilder

Claims are made that liver supplements improve fat metabolism, increase energy, increase stamina, help damaged tissues regenerate, curb sugar cravings, and protect the liver. Desiccated liver helps to increase red blood cell count and stimulate appetite. As a side note, anabolic steroids also stimulate appetite and increase red blood cell count.

It may also work as an anti-stress agent, alleviate gum problems, treat anemia, and help produce stronger functioning red blood cells. In addition, it has been proven to help improve recovery time after physical workouts.

The iron and B vitamins in desiccated liver tablets contribute to bone health, muscle building, and immune functioning. Liver is also a great source of the vitamin B-12. B-12 plays an important role in cellular division and is vital to growth. In addition, it assists the body with the burning of fats and carbohydrates. A deficiency of B-12 can also lead to anemia and fatigue. It also seems to play a large role in protection against heart disease.

In a now classic experiment in the '50s, Dr. BH Ershoff demonstrated that liver extract was able to boost strength, endurance, performance, and resistance to stress and disease.

Ershoff took three groups of rats and fed them controlled diets for a 12 week period. Group 1 ate a basic diet fortified with vitamins and minerals. Group 2 ate as much as they wanted of the same diet plus B vitamins and brewer's yeast. Group 3 ate the basic diet but had 10% desiccated liver added to their rations.

The rats were then placed into a drum of water, which they could not climb out of. Therefore, it was literally either sink or swim. The Group 1 rats swam an average of 13.2 minutes before they all drowned. Group 2 swam an average of 13.4 minutes before meeting Group 1 at the ole Davy Jones' Locker. Group 3, however, were still swimming at the end of 2 hours, at which time the experiment was concluded, and the rats set free in a field nearby. Now, either the Group 3 rats had watched the fate of their classmates very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long.

The Tablet Reviews
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When I first began this experiment, I picked up a bottle of desiccated liver tablets from my local Whole Foods store. The only brand of desiccated liver that they carried was Nature's Life Beef Liver. I began by taking 2 tablets every couple of hours, until I was taking about 6 tablets 4-5 times a day.

After two weeks of this regime with the Nature's Life brand, the things I noticed most, from a workout & personal perspective, were the increased stamina, increased energy, quicker recovery times, and less DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness).

I later purchased Universal Uni-Liver, Beverly International Ultra-40, and NOW Liver, which seemed to be the more popular brands that I could find. I used each one over a three week period to see if there were a better response from one brand or the other based on my own personal experience.



Interestingly, it seemed I got a better response from my first default choice, Nature's Life Beef Liver, followed somewhat by Beverly International's Ultra-40.

I didn't notice any of the beneficial effects that I had previously, while using NOW Liver or Universal Uni-Liver tablets. Hmmmm.

Also, some of these tablets, most notably Universal's Uni-Liver, are probably some of the largest tablets you may ever attempt to swallow.


Side note: Some of these products will indicate their tablet size in grains rather than milligrams. Just multiple the number of grains by 60 to get the approximate milligram size that most of us are use to.

Tablet Dissolving Test
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I was curious about how effective these tablets were, considering the size and hardness of some of them, and the fact that the NOW and Universal brands provided no perceived benefits to me in my individual 3-week tests. I was curious as to why. So, I set up a dissolving test for each tablet suspecting that might be the problem.

A healthy human stomach is acidic, in the range of 1.5 to 3.5 pH, on average.

I placed each tablet in a hydrochloric acid solution with a pH value of 2.5.

Here is a photo, after 5 minutes:


Interestingly, the Uni-Liver and Nature's Life tablets both floated, while the other two sunk to the bottom. In addition, the NOW Liver tablet began bubbling almost immediately. All of this is probably related to the different binding ingredients used in each brand of tablet.

Now, after 35 minutes, here's what we have:


This isn't completely scientific, because I haven't completely duplicated the process of the stomach, in that I did not provide any type of mixing or churning action that the stomach would naturally do while digesting food, and I didn't keep the temperature at approximately 99 degrees as would be the case in a healthy stomach.

However, I now had some evidence as to why the Nature's Life product was the best performing product of my test group. It naturally dissolved faster than any of the other products, and thus allowing more complete absorption. You can also see that the Beverly International product is in a state of dissolving as well.

Even more interesting, is that the Universal Uni-Liver product never showed any signs of dissolving. I continued to allow these samples to sit for another 2 hours ... of course, after 2 hours these would have long vacated your stomach, but in the interest of curiosity I continued on. At the end of the 2 hours time, all the other products had dissolved completely, except the Uni-Liver product remained exactly as you see it above!

End Thoughts
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Well, if you've made it this far reading all of this, you're probably curious whether the benefits of desiccated liver tablets are real? I'll have to agree that they are, in my opinion. Try them yourself if you aren't already, and you'll see. Give it a couple of weeks to reap the benefits.

In addition, you're wondering what do about the size of the tablets, and the fact that some of them aren't easily dissolved in your stomach?

There are two solutions:

1) Use a liver powder. Let me know how you like that. No, on second thought never mind ... I know that answer.

2) Or we have to go back and visit our ole loveable 'liver & onion' granny again. "Chew everything you put in your mouth, son -- chew it good before you swallow. Chew it. Wanna borrow my teeth, dearie?"

Information & Ingredient Lists
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Beverly International Ultra-40: 500 tablets per bottle, 2600 mg. MSRP $45.00. Ingredients: Argentinean Desiccated Liver (as 4x concentrate) 2600mg, Vitamin B-12 (as cyanocobalamin) 75mcg. Other ingredients: Cellulose, Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Stearate, & Silicon Dioxide

http://www.bodybuildingworld.com

Nature's Life Beef Liver: 100 tablets per bottle, 1500 mg. MSRP $9.45. Ingredients: Argentinean Beef Liver. Other ingredients: Gelatin, Guar Gum, Vegetarian Stearic Acid, Silicon Dioxide, Cellulose, Vegetarian Magnesium Stearate, & Micro-Cellulose Coating.

http://www.natureslife.com

NOW Liver: 200 tablets per bottle, 680 mg. MSRP $5.99. Ingredients: Beef Liver Powder (Argentine, Low Heat). Other Ingredients: Calcium Carbonate, Stearic Acid, Croscarmellose Sodium, & Magnesium Stearate.

http://www.nowfoods.com

Universal Uni-Liver: 500 tablets per bottle, 1950 mg. MSRP $20.95. Ingredients: Desiccated bovine liver. Other Ingredients: Whey, Terra Alba, Choline Citrate, Inosital Monophosphate, Magnesium Stearate, & Stearic Acid.

http://www.universalnutrition.com

Street prices on all of these brands are considerably lower than MSRP on many of the online supplement sites.

Trance

JRam
01-19-2014, 05:03 PM
I think most supplements are bullshit but u guys have me thinking about trying this. I used to take them, based on Gironda's writings, before I discovered what really worked.

kazman68
01-20-2014, 02:36 PM
I think most supplements are bullshit but u guys have me thinking about trying this. I used to take them, based on Gironda's writings, before I discovered what really worked.

Beef liver is a legit supplement.

zedhed
01-20-2014, 09:07 PM
Ordered 2 bottles when I put that info post up. The Carnivore.

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Ironguruera
01-21-2014, 03:22 AM
Iron how many per day. Vince Gironda had his guys taking them every 2-3 hours. But they fail to say how many at a time.

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From what I understand the ones we have now are mega concentrated compared to the ones those guys had back in the 50-60's etc.

Of the carnivor brand I take 2-3 with meals. I feel by taking them with meals it furth aids in nutrient assimilation as u are making the nutrient load for that given meal that much more complete. Think of it as nutrient synergy....I'm
Sure u know all this zed!

If I train that day ill take 2-3 pre and post workout in addition to 5 grams Bcaa pre/post ESP when I use slin.

On the healthy and fit brand it basically says if u are training hard take as many as u want lol. My father on law saw them left and was like WTF why would anyone need so many of these potent ass pills!

Ironguruera
01-21-2014, 03:31 AM
thanks for posting that beef liver info above zed I missed that post!

That's the same info I read that made me look for them and take them.
Gironda was so fucking ahead of his time it's crazy. I sure would like to know if Vince was truly against juice or it was just a front......u can't tell me Girondas golden boy Larry Scott didnt juice. He had some dbols for sure lol. Maybe Vince turned a blind eye lol.


Lots of old school guys chewed them(liver pills)

I'm with kaz I bite em in half. Maybe placebo but I swear if u chew them or bite them I feel them more......then taste pretty fucking bad chewed. Try it once for the fuck of it. Just have a drink handy lol.

Ecto
01-21-2014, 07:37 AM
Iron how many per day. Vince Gironda had his guys taking them every 2-3 hours. But they fail to say how many at a time.

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I take 6 a day just like the bottle suggests. 3 tablets, twice daily.

zedhed
01-21-2014, 10:21 AM
Good to know guyz and thanks. Cant be any worse tasting then liquid orals bro. Now that tastes azz!

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zedhed
01-25-2014, 01:23 AM
Ok got my 2 bottles and taking 20-25 of em per day plus a lean meat (big) sandwich before bed. Believe it or not love handles. dissapearing. But also now doing 30 to 60 min of cardio per day.

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kazman68
01-25-2014, 12:45 PM
thanks for posting that beef liver info above zed I missed that post!

That's the same info I read that made me look for them and take them.
Gironda was so fucking ahead of his time it's crazy. I sure would like to know if Vince was truly against juice or it was just a front......u can't tell me Girondas golden boy Larry Scott didnt juice. He had some dbols for sure lol. Maybe Vince turned a blind eye lol.


Lots of old school guys chewed them(liver pills)

I'm with kaz I bite em in half. Maybe placebo but I swear if u chew them or bite them I feel them more......then taste pretty fucking bad chewed. Try it once for the fuck of it. Just have a drink handy lol.

Gironda was against juice, he felt it created an 'imbalanced' physique, his idea and what is ideal nowadays are to different things, He didn't like monster thighs and believed the thigh should be as big at the top as the bottom, he also din;t like overdeveloped traps as he though it made the shoulders look narrow. Guy was 100% ahead of his time, they said he was 'too ripped'. But bodybuilder's will do what they need to win Scott definitely used and D-bol was the doc back then.