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chesty
08-04-2016, 02:24 AM
So when I go one a pre contest diet do the cardio etc weight doesn't come off. I eat like crap weight doesn't change. I'm really fed up. I'm at 250 and want to be 190. My god given weight out of high school was 156. So 190 was and would be a good weight. 250 is way too much!

Any thoughts? I am ready to be light again!

ltyson
08-04-2016, 05:14 AM
So when I go one a pre contest diet do the cardio etc weight doesn't come off. I eat like crap weight doesn't change. I'm really fed up. I'm at 250 and want to be 190. My god given weight out of high school was 156. So 190 was and would be a good weight. 250 is way too much!

Any thoughts? I am ready to be light again!
Are you tracking your numbers daily? Protein, carbs, fats, total calories, every day? If so post up the numbers and I am sure we can come up with some slight changes.

I know you have been in the game for a long while, so I am guessing most of your diet is based on just repetition and feel. I have found when I hit plataues either losing or gaining, that I need to go back to tracking everything daily and after 2 weeks it usually becomes obvious where I need to make a change once I have my actuals on paper.

I hate tracking every day as I find it to be a pain in my ass, but I force myself to do it, when stuck in a period of no change.

Ltyson

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chesty
08-04-2016, 12:13 PM
Yeah I can post up my numbers. Do it this weekend. Part of what I found is first time ever I had high protein moderate carbs low fats and that worked. After a couple times it didn't. Then I did high protein high no carbs (under 50 a day) and that worked pretty good a couple times. Now it seems none of those work.

kazman68
08-04-2016, 06:42 PM
High protein moderate fat low carb always works for me, have to remember we aren't 20 anymore and our body's respond slower. Put up some numbers and we will all pitch in and try and help.

ltyson
08-05-2016, 05:43 AM
The reason I mention tracking everything for a minimum of two weeks, is that even if you think your diet is fairly consistent, tracking for two weeks will usually show where you are fluctuating day over day and make you see areas of opportunity that you had not seen or thought you were hitting already. Anything shorter than that and you tend to not get the full picture.

Then it is just a question of adjusting the numbers to get the desired results, and tracking those daily to make sure you got them every day.

Ltyson

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Ironguruera
08-05-2016, 03:43 PM
Are you tracking your numbers daily? Protein, carbs, fats, total calories, every day? If so post up the numbers and I am sure we can come up with some slight changes.

I know you have been in the game for a long while, so I am guessing most of your diet is based on just repetition and feel. I have found when I hit plataues either losing or gaining, that I need to go back to tracking everything daily and after 2 weeks it usually becomes obvious where I need to make a change once I have my actuals on paper.

I hate tracking every day as I find it to be a pain in my ass, but I force myself to do it, when stuck in a period of no change.

Ltyson

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I recall u getting jacked as hell when fit guru had that contest going. The diligence pays off !

chesty
08-07-2016, 02:57 AM
So my protein is at 150 to 250 gems a day, fats around 50 gems and carbs are way to high at 400 gms. I need to be consistantly in eatimg. Some days it's three meals some it's 5. My job is making it a pain plus I spend two hours a day on the road on my Harley to and from work. And then this medicine wipes me out. I start the week with lots of energy but by day two I am zapped. Once I get going I'm ok but it is really hard. It's not a I need sleep type loss of energy, it's different. Plus my strength is not what it used to be and my flexibility is not either. I can do cardio though no problem, but walk up a flight of stairs and I'm out of breath.

What at I need I think is a dietician and a trainer/coach. Neith of which I can afford. And I need to work less.

Ok, there you have it. Now I need to get something that will work in the above parameters. 60 lbs is my goal. That puts me at 190. I'm not fat, at least externally, I am big,but need to cut down to 190 and remain there long term.

chesty
08-10-2016, 02:35 AM
So I have cut out red meat. Have three or four protein shakes a day with fruit and nuts mixed in. Use my ninja extractor and I have a salad a day. Plus I make my own soups like tomato using the ninja. So far bloating is down, no breads, pastas, etc either. I am hoping the somewhat distended abdomen goes down too.

I do do cardio and I sweat like a pig, never did that before and I lift moderate weights. Been a week not hard to follow,will have to wait a few weeks see if it is working.

Slayer
08-10-2016, 10:54 AM
Chesty, why did you cut out red meat?

kazman68
08-10-2016, 12:12 PM
I would say more protein and fats less carbs, I know everyone is different I actually feel better without starchy carbs.

chesty
08-11-2016, 02:34 AM
The red meat seems to be heavy in my gut so I have all but cut it out. I generally respond well to high protein and fats and no carbs as well. This time I am keeping carbs from fruits and Hulu vegetables for a while. Once I get my gut to stop puffing out I will stop the carbs. Breads and pastas are the he worst for me. Not only cause they blow my gut up, but I love em. So have to remind myself to not give in.

I found out out my oxygen saturation levels are 90% so this most likely why I am out of gas all the time.

Lunchbox
08-11-2016, 10:51 AM
What has worked best for me in the past and what I am about to get back into since my recovery from surgery is at a point now where I'm less limited in the gym.

(Body Weight - 10 %) x 13 = Total Calorie Intake

(Body Weight - 10 %) x 1.5 = Gram of Protein Daily Macro

(Body Weight - 10 %) x .45 = Gram of Fats Daily Macro

(Daily Protein Macro x 4) + (Daily Fats Macro x 9) = Total Calories from Proteins and Fat

(Total Calorie Intake - Total Calories from Proteins and Fats) / 4 = Grams of Carbs Daily Macro

Add those macros up over a period of seven days and cycle the carbs up and down daily and adjusting fats up and down daily to compensate for the carb cycling.

I try my best to get as close as I can to my weekly totals.

After two weeks of the weight loss or measurements are not where I want them to be for fat loss / muscle retention I will adjust the % I knock off my Total Body weight up or down and readjust macros.

(Edit: This exact procedure took me from 426 to 227 and 47% BF to 18% BF in 16 months)

(2nd Edit: Shoulder Injury and lack of keeping myself on track has me back up to 269 and 24% BF)

Only gear I am going to run while getting back down to where I was before is 1ml-1.5ml Sustanon Weekly and 50mg Proviron daily.

Encino_Mang
08-11-2016, 09:50 PM
What has worked best for me in the past and what I am about to get back into since my recovery from surgery is at a point now where I'm less limited in the gym.

(Body Weight - 10 %) x 13 = Total Calorie Intake

(Body Weight - 10 %) x 1.5 = Gram of Protein Daily Macro

(Body Weight - 10 %) x .45 = Gram of Fats Daily Macro

(Daily Protein Macro x 4) + (Daily Fats Macro x 9) = Total Calories from Proteins and Fat

(Total Calorie Intake - Total Calories from Proteins and Fats) / 4 = Grams of Carbs Daily Macro

Add those macros up over a period of seven days and cycle the carbs up and down daily and adjusting fats up and down daily to compensate for the carb cycling.

I try my best to get as close as I can to my weekly totals.

After two weeks of the weight loss or measurements are not where I want them to be for fat loss / muscle retention I will adjust the % I knock off my Total Body weight up or down and readjust macros.

(Edit: This exact procedure took me from 426 to 227 and 47% BF to 18% BF in 16 months)

(2nd Edit: Shoulder Injury and lack of keeping myself on track has me back up to 269 and 24% BF)

Only gear I am going to run while getting back down to where I was before is 1ml-1.5ml Sustanon Weekly and 50mg Proviron daily.

Excellent post!

Can you explain this part in more detail please:

(Daily Protein Macro x 4) + (Daily Fats Macro x 9) = Total Calories from Proteins and Fat

(Total Calorie Intake - Total Calories from Proteins and Fats) / 4 = Grams of Carbs Daily Macro

Add those macros up over a period of seven days and cycle the carbs up and down daily and adjusting fats up and down daily to compensate for the carb cycling.

Lunchbox
08-12-2016, 09:25 AM
Excellent post!

Can you explain this part in more detail please:

(Daily Protein Macro x 4) + (Daily Fats Macro x 9) = Total Calories from Proteins and Fat

(Total Calorie Intake - Total Calories from Proteins and Fats) / 4 = Grams of Carbs Daily Macro

Add those macros up over a period of seven days and cycle the carbs up and down daily and adjusting fats up and down daily to compensate for the carb cycling.

Sure..

First off my Total Calorie Intake equation. Scale of 10-15. 10 being a totally sedentary lifestyle and 15 being a professional athlete. I put my number at 13 which around about equates to a sedentary work lifestyle but 5 days in the gym a week with intense workouts lasting 60-90 minutes. I want to eat a small caloric deficit so i subtract 10% from my total BW.

So in my case right now:

(269lbs-10%) x 13 = 3159 Calories Daily

Protein equation - General consensus is to keep protein intake at 1G per BW but since I am carb sensitive and I want to help retain as much muscle mass while on a caloric deficit i use 1.5G Protein per BW. Proteins equate for 4 Calories per Gram.

(269lbs-10%) x 1.5 = 365G Protein Daily x 4 = 1460 Calories from Protein

Fat equation - General consensus is to have a range from .3-.6 grams of fat per body weight. The higher the number here the lower your carb intake will be and the lower number here the higher your carb intake will be. I like mid range when starting a recomp diet and adjust when necessary. Fats equate to 9 calories per gram.

(269lbs-10%) x.45 = 110G Fat Daily x 9 = 990 Calories from Fat

Carb equation - Take your total calorie intake subtract your calories from protein and calories from fat and that leaves you with you calories from carbs for the remainder of the day. Carbs equate to 4 calories per gram.

(3159-1460-990) = 709 Calories / 4 = 177G Carbs Daily

Macros are:
Protein - 365
Fats - 110
Carbs - 177

If you want to carb cycle you have to adjust your fats up or down to account for the increase or decrease in macros/calories in the carbs.

Monday: Protein 365 / Fats 110 / Carbs 177. Basic daily macros

Tuesday: Protein 365 / Fats 70 / Carbs 267
Here I have increased my carb intake for the day by 50% (90G). So you n eed to make that up by lowering fats.
90G x 4Cal = 360Cal / 9 (Cal per G of Fats) = 40. So 110G - 40G = 70G

Wednesday: Protein 365 / Fats 169 / Carbs 44
Here I have dropped my carb intake by 75% (132G) so I need to increase my fats to make up for the macros/calories lost from the change in carbs.
132G x 4Cal = 528Cal / 9 (Cal per G of Fats) = 59. So 110 + 59 = 169


With the caloric values of Protein = 4, Fats = 9 and Carbs = 4 you can add up any of the equations this way and see that I am always hitting my caloric intake for the day at 3158 Calories but doing so by adjusting my macros and properly carb cycling.

If after two weeks I feel that the 10% reduction in BW is to much or to little for my goals I will adjust macros accordingly or if there is a possibility I will adjust workouts accordingly to best suit a body recomp.

Hope this helps explain it!

Lunchie

Ironguruera
08-12-2016, 12:24 PM
Sure..

First off my Total Calorie Intake equation. Scale of 10-15. 10 being a totally sedentary lifestyle and 15 being a professional athlete. I put my number at 13 which around about equates to a sedentary work lifestyle but 5 days in the gym a week with intense workouts lasting 60-90 minutes. I want to eat a small caloric deficit so i subtract 10% from my total BW.

So in my case right now:

(269lbs-10%) x 13 = 3159 Calories Daily

Protein equation - General consensus is to keep protein intake at 1G per BW but since I am carb sensitive and I want to help retain as much muscle mass while on a caloric deficit i use 1.5G Protein per BW. Proteins equate for 4 Calories per Gram.

(269lbs-10%) x 1.5 = 365G Protein Daily x 4 = 1460 Calories from Protein

Fat equation - General consensus is to have a range from .3-.6 grams of fat per body weight. The higher the number here the lower your carb intake will be and the lower number here the higher your carb intake will be. I like mid range when starting a recomp diet and adjust when necessary. Fats equate to 9 calories per gram.

(269lbs-10%) x.45 = 110G Fat Daily x 9 = 990 Calories from Fat

Carb equation - Take your total calorie intake subtract your calories from protein and calories from fat and that leaves you with you calories from carbs for the remainder of the day. Carbs equate to 4 calories per gram.

(3159-1460-990) = 709 Calories / 4 = 177G Carbs Daily

Macros are:
Protein - 365
Fats - 110
Carbs - 177

If you want to carb cycle you have to adjust your fats up or down to account for the increase or decrease in macros/calories in the carbs.

Monday: Protein 365 / Fats 110 / Carbs 177. Basic daily macros

Tuesday: Protein 365 / Fats 70 / Carbs 267
Here I have increased my carb intake for the day by 50% (90G). So you n eed to make that up by lowering fats.
90G x 4Cal = 360Cal / 9 (Cal per G of Fats) = 40. So 110G - 40G = 70G

Wednesday: Protein 365 / Fats 169 / Carbs 44
Here I have dropped my carb intake by 75% (132G) so I need to increase my fats to make up for the macros/calories lost from the change in carbs.
132G x 4Cal = 528Cal / 9 (Cal per G of Fats) = 59. So 110 + 59 = 169


With the caloric values of Protein = 4, Fats = 9 and Carbs = 4 you can add up any of the equations this way and see that I am always hitting my caloric intake for the day at 3158 Calories but doing so by adjusting my macros and properly carb cycling.

If after two weeks I feel that the 10% reduction in BW is to much or to little for my goals I will adjust macros accordingly or if there is a possibility I will adjust workouts accordingly to best suit a body recomp.

Hope this helps explain it!

Lunchie

Holy shit I'll read this later. Like 89 times....

Slayer
08-12-2016, 01:04 PM
Very,very good info here!!! Now if I can only understand it! Thanks LB!

Lunchbox
08-12-2016, 01:16 PM
Very,very good info here!!! Now if I can only understand it! Thanks LB!

If you have specific questions let me know or post some basic stats and I'll give you a break down for bulking or cutting.

(Bulking is a different equation that I use but same basic principal)

Keep in mind so many variables are individually specific and no diet equation is a one size fits all.

What I have is a good start and is easily adjustable along the way for personalized experience.

Slayer
08-12-2016, 01:29 PM
Thanks LB! I appreciate it!

MuscleAddiction
08-12-2016, 01:50 PM
I will hit you up later...have clients I am working with that I will use this for, the only problem is they want me to tell them exactly what to eat lol...

Lunchbox
08-12-2016, 02:05 PM
I will hit you up later...have clients I am working with that I will use this for, the only problem is they want me to tell them exactly what to eat lol...

Yea screw that!!!

The handful of guys I've helped I give the Macros to and some suggested servings of certain foods, I'll adjust with them if they write down everything they eat but no way am I building a complete meal plan.

They have to have some drive in the equation!!

SIDE NOTE. My Macros + phone app is the best app in the world to track specific macros. Has a barcode system in the app. Just scan and adjust serving size and BOOM!!

Lunchbox
08-12-2016, 02:15 PM
Here are some screen shots from the App for my counts yesterday and today.

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http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/e6438037a7fa73e65192515c2dd8b187.png

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/3891fcab59b98b18ec7302fcaecefd3d.png

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/39f65f2fe011a0a6df1a5bc2001ca59e.png

Lunchbox
08-12-2016, 02:15 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/37d6f3cf6a638c13477d8552b1d12b18.png

chesty
08-12-2016, 07:37 PM
What is the name of the app? And the diet you have outlines is pretty much what I call the cave man diet. It works really well and you have a lot of detail on it that really helps.

Lunchbox
08-12-2016, 07:47 PM
What is the name of the app? And the diet you have outlines is pretty much what I call the cave man diet. It works really well and you have a lot of detail on it that really helps.

My Macros Plus cost 2.99 but it is well worth it in my opinion.

chesty
08-13-2016, 02:58 AM
Cool thanks!

Encino_Mang
08-13-2016, 07:38 AM
Sure..

First off my Total Calorie Intake equation. Scale of 10-15. 10 being a totally sedentary lifestyle and 15 being a professional athlete. I put my number at 13 which around about equates to a sedentary work lifestyle but 5 days in the gym a week with intense workouts lasting 60-90 minutes. I want to eat a small caloric deficit so i subtract 10% from my total BW.

So in my case right now:

(269lbs-10%) x 13 = 3159 Calories Daily

Protein equation - General consensus is to keep protein intake at 1G per BW but since I am carb sensitive and I want to help retain as much muscle mass while on a caloric deficit i use 1.5G Protein per BW. Proteins equate for 4 Calories per Gram.

(269lbs-10%) x 1.5 = 365G Protein Daily x 4 = 1460 Calories from Protein

Fat equation - General consensus is to have a range from .3-.6 grams of fat per body weight. The higher the number here the lower your carb intake will be and the lower number here the higher your carb intake will be. I like mid range when starting a recomp diet and adjust when necessary. Fats equate to 9 calories per gram.

(269lbs-10%) x.45 = 110G Fat Daily x 9 = 990 Calories from Fat

Carb equation - Take your total calorie intake subtract your calories from protein and calories from fat and that leaves you with you calories from carbs for the remainder of the day. Carbs equate to 4 calories per gram.

(3159-1460-990) = 709 Calories / 4 = 177G Carbs Daily

Macros are:
Protein - 365
Fats - 110
Carbs - 177

If you want to carb cycle you have to adjust your fats up or down to account for the increase or decrease in macros/calories in the carbs.

Monday: Protein 365 / Fats 110 / Carbs 177. Basic daily macros

Tuesday: Protein 365 / Fats 70 / Carbs 267
Here I have increased my carb intake for the day by 50% (90G). So you n eed to make that up by lowering fats.
90G x 4Cal = 360Cal / 9 (Cal per G of Fats) = 40. So 110G - 40G = 70G

Wednesday: Protein 365 / Fats 169 / Carbs 44
Here I have dropped my carb intake by 75% (132G) so I need to increase my fats to make up for the macros/calories lost from the change in carbs.
132G x 4Cal = 528Cal / 9 (Cal per G of Fats) = 59. So 110 + 59 = 169


With the caloric values of Protein = 4, Fats = 9 and Carbs = 4 you can add up any of the equations this way and see that I am always hitting my caloric intake for the day at 3158 Calories but doing so by adjusting my macros and properly carb cycling.

If after two weeks I feel that the 10% reduction in BW is to much or to little for my goals I will adjust macros accordingly or if there is a possibility I will adjust workouts accordingly to best suit a body recomp.

Hope this helps explain it!

Lunchie

Thank you for going into detail.........sometimes I need things in very simple terms..........I'm not very smart but I can lift heavy things :smile-new:

chesty
08-14-2016, 04:01 AM
Your smart u just don't know it.

chesty
08-15-2016, 02:49 AM
Cheat weekend over time to figure out req'd calories and go for broke. Also got to stop taking the Losartan, blood pressure was getting too low. Probably why no energy. But my 02 saturation levels are still low at between 90 to 95%. 90 is definitely too low. Staying on the metaprolol for fast heartbeat and Renexa for chest pains. Got a new precription for reflux something called protonics. Seems to work.