Health Care

[Exerciseordie]

Well looks like the house will not find the new health care bill. As much as I don't want fighting and bitching, I love a good debate WITHOUT irresponsible bitching at each other. So with that said what do y'all think about this bill? For it? Against it?

[Layddually2]

Re: Health Care

The thing is the people that make below a certain amount get subsidized insurance. So it's basically like they are expanding Medicaid to cover more people but some with have a partial pay. Guess what the country is already in the red financially there is no money to support this taxes will have to skyrocket and the people that have to pay will be paying almost double.

I have the best insurance you can get at the moment because it's thru the hospital. My wife only works part time so guess what we are loosing insurance on jan 1. Right now we are paying $1200 a month for family of 4 because wife is working part time it was $600.

If its so great why did congress make it so they are exempt ?
They copied a failing system from Europe that has hospitals closing left and right because there is no money. I think this country needs a major kick in the ass starting the number 1 douchebag. We need to get rid of gov assistance except for extreme case make people fucking responsible. Far to many on wellfare that could be working if they working 1 job it's not enough get a second.
Also off top being a congressman or senator should and was never meant to be a full time job cut that shit out.

If you get a Nobel peace prize and then push to start ww3 you should be hung.

[Layddually2]

Re: Health Care

I wasn't done I just thought I better stop before I piss myself off.

[Exerciseordie]

I really honestly probably couldn't agree more with that lol. Everything was pretty on point IMO

[SisterSteel]

Re: Health Care

This country is becoming more and more like a socialist country and it doesn't work plain and simple. Everything thinks Obamacare is a good thing (I should say the uneducated sheeple think it's good) but all of us working will have to foot the bill.

I've alwys said that political positions should be non paid so you know those who are working it will do the most good and not take the position to line their pockets with more money. Either that or make the pay something small and it shouldn't be for the life of the politician.

[Vicious 13]

I'm not going to involve myself really. But in a democrat I support Obama and i support obamacare. I work hard I have great insurance through the union and my wife and I make more than most on the board (probably).., that being said I guess I'm a sheep or uneducated either one

[Exerciseordie]

This country is becoming more and more like a socialist country and it doesn't work plain and simple. Everything thinks Obamacare is a good thing (I should say the uneducated sheeple think it's good) but all of us working will have to foot the bill.

I've alwys said that political positions should be non paid so you know those who are working it will do the most good and not take the position to line their pockets with more money. Either that or make the pay something small and it shouldn't be for the life of the politician.

Again I agree sister! If you truly educate yourself on the bill even in the least you will find it's not a good thing at all! There is a reason so many major companies and unions are openly questioning the bill. The majority of our people are now against it according to major polling sites (by major I mean non biased also) so that alone should mean it should go bye bye. Last but not least it was pushed through by a democratic president, democratic senate, and democratic congress and yes I mean it was pushed (as in forced) through. That alone says enough because not a single fucking person who passed it even read it. All I can say is those who are for it should really dig into the bill and what it is actually causing.

[Vicious 13]

Ill ask u this is what we have going on now working? What would u suggest b done? Wife just had a c section do u want to know what that costs with out insurance.. Most of u "think" u know what your talking about but u don't. No way in hell should doctors make what they do not should they charge what they do however u guys want to let them run wild. Like I said I don't want to get involved in this convo because I will hurt feelings. I try to avoid politics and religion.. Most of I aren't even in the same tax bracket so that alone has me puzzled

[Vicious 13]

Those who work should have health care but those that can't afford it shouldn't? I don't get it we just had a tread where we want to eli our brothers and sisters out but now all of a sudden we don't hmmm ok

[Vicious 13]

Should kaz not have health care right now because he and his girl are in between jobs I mean think about what your saying

[MuscleAddiction]

Re: Health Care

One of the problems with the health care reform is that we used to have people want to become doctors, but with the way it is going we won't have many to replace the baby boomers retiring. In five years from now you may not be seen by an actual doctor but by a nurse practitioner. With the rising costs of health insurance every year and companies even local government cities are not able to afford to cover insurance for their employees which now a good percentage of our income is going to be going to pay for health insurance, and it is going to get worse in the next few years. I feel everyone should have health coverage, but also everyone needs to be working as well. It is ugly no matter how you look at it, I feel that doctors and pharmaceutical companies are controlling costs which is the cause for the rise in insurance costs and yes we end up paying for it. I could be way out of line, but something needs to be done but I don't feel this bill is the answer either. Like Layd said above, people need to be held responsible and accountable and not just leech off the government everything, if we have to work and hold a job, support our families as much of a struggle as it is at times, and pay out of our salaries to cover a portion of our health care then so does everybody else.

[Vicious 13]

U guys keep saying unions and that's wrong. I work in the union great benefits I pay 2 dollars an hour for some of e best coverage around. Ad I don't believe that ugly truth work or dot get shit. I like to help my fellow man out bit I've always had a big heart. I think it's ridiculous to say a brother should suffer because he is out of work

[Vicious 13]

Y should doctors b millionaires?

[MuscleAddiction]

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Ill ask u this is what we have going on now working? What would u suggest b done? Wife just had a c section do u want to know what that costs with out insurance.. Most of u "think" u know what your talking about but u don't. No way in hell should doctors make what they do not should they charge what they do however u guys want to let them run wild. Like I said I don't want to get involved in this convo because I will hurt feelings. I try to avoid politics and religion.. Most of I aren't even in the same tax bracket so that alone has me puzzled

^^^ I agree that doctors need to have a leash put on them and stop the constant increase in health care costs!!! I too try to steer away from discussions about religion and politics because I am not all that educated in either subject, but I see your point as well Vicious, something needs to be done, this seems to be the only solution on the table right now.

[Vicious 13]

I build the hospitals they work in maybe I need more money too