MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

[AnalogMan]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

Your off on your numbers bro..
IGF-1
51-55 years old- 40-217 ng/ml
56-60 years old- 37-208 ng/ml
61-65 years old- 35-201 ng/ml
IGFBP-3
51-55 years old - 3.4 - 6.8 (mcg/ml)
56-60 years old - 3.4 - 6.9 (mcg/ml)
61-65 years old- 3.2 -6.6 (mcg/ml)

As for your high level of 182-780 ng/ml ,not happing!!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21466434

The highest is at (14) years of age - 136-729 ng/ml

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20564545

What happens is "bro-science" is repeated and repeated on many forums, and all of sudden it the "Gospel"..

I've been in the Medical field over 25 years, and I would and will be happy to debate, discuss or explain my views , to "anyone"
And as always ,these are my views.................AM

PS, nice Av!!

[JRam]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

Your off on your numbers bro..
IGF-1
51-55 years old- 40-217 ng/ml
56-60 years old- 37-208 ng/ml
61-65 years old- 35-201 ng/ml
IGFBP-3
51-55 years old - 3.4 - 6.8 (mcg/ml)
56-60 years old - 3.4 - 6.9 (mcg/ml)
61-65 years old- 3.2 -6.6 (mcg/ml)

As for your high level of 182-780 ng/ml ,not happing!!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21466434

The highest is at (14) years of age - 136-729 ng/ml

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20564545

What happens is "bro-science" is repeated and repeated on many forums, and all of sudden it the "Gospel"..

I've been in the Medical field over 25 years, and I would and will be happy to debate, discuss or explain my views , to "anyone"
And as always ,these are my views.................AM

PS, nice Av!!

Those aren't my numbers!!! I lifted those numbers directly from the University of Rochester's Medical Center's website:

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=167&ContentID=insulin_like_growth_factor

And thanks for the liver studies. I will read them as soon as I can.

[Slayer]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

On my last labs,my IGF-1 was high at 195 on LabCorps scale of 54-194. I am 57.

[JRam]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

Good score.

Is that without any assistance?

[Slayer]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

No, with assistance!

[AnalogMan]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

http://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/36365

So, all labs have different values. Quest, Labcorp, Directlabs ,Lifeextensions ,so on and on. Doctor's have a PDR (Physicians Desk Reference),a reference guide mandated by the FDA that they (usely) relay on for a diagnosis. Or a serum level??
I can tell you (personally) that the Mayo Clinic is the Gold Standard. And all five clinic's I'm involved with use this standard. There are a lot to IGF-1 levels, I'll put this out there, if your using Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolva) @ 20mg per day ,up to or during a blood draw, it can lower your IGF-1 up to 50%..Plus there are other compounds..

There are lot of 'myths' that I will post up (my view). And like I say, fact-check me................AM

Click on.

[JRam]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

I'm here to learn ...

[MuscleAddiction]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

No, with assistance!

How much assistance lol? 2-5iu?

[MuscleAddiction]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

I'm here to learn ...

So am I, as I have A LOT to learn!!!

[Slayer]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

MA, that was just on 600mg of T400 a week. No GH.

[JRam]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

I'm on day two of one 12.5 mg cap of this product ED (I'm taking after dinner). So far, the main thing I'm noticing is increased appetite (not that it was much of a problem before but now it's out of control). I'm not noticing any unusual fatigue as of yet so I may bump it up to two caps ED in a day or so. (One thing I'm hoping to get out of this product is improved sleep.) No change in body composition but I'm not expecting that for a while.

Will keep everyone posted.

[Mike Arnold]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

Thanks for the response. Hope all is getting back in line.

And just to clarify my post, when I referred to "test" I was referring to your blood work not actual test

For reference, this is what the U. of Rochester has on its website as far as normal IGF-1 values (you recorded a 201):

IGF-1 measurements are adjusted for age because levels tend to decrease as you get older.

Results of IGF-1 are given in nanograms per milliliter (ng/mL). Normal ranges by age are:

182 to 780 ng/mL for ages 16 to 24


114 to 492 ng/mL for ages 25 to 39


90 to 360 ng/mL for ages 40 to 54


71 to 290 ng/mL for people 55 and older

Those numbers are completely wrong. Even people that run 10-15 iu of GH rarely reach into the 70's. 700 is grotesquely high! Hell, 600 is super high.

Tons of people (normal adults) have IGF-1 levels around 100...some higher and some lower. It just depends on the individual. Just like "normal testosterone levels range from 250-1,000, yet very few people have natural T levels of 1,000, so to do relatively few people have natural IGF-1 levels of 200, especially at his age.

As I mentioned to him previously, he would need to know his baseline numbers beforehand in order to know the exact increase, but it's really irrelevant...because if you've seen any of the research on MK-677 over the last 10 years...or any of the innumerable labs posted publicly (with before & afters), you would know that MK's ability to raise IGF-1 levels and increase lean muscle mass (which is the end goal for most of us) is not in dispute--anywhere.

[Mike Arnold]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

http://www.mayomedicallaboratories.c...rpretive/36365

So, all labs have different values. Quest, Labcorp, Directlabs ,Lifeextensions ,so on and on. Doctor's have a PDR (Physicians Desk Reference),a reference guide mandated by the FDA that they (usely) relay on for a diagnosis. Or a serum level??
I can tell you (personally) that the Mayo Clinic is the Gold Standard. And all five clinic's I'm involved with use this standard. There are a lot to IGF-1 levels, I'll put this out there, if your using Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolva) @ 20mg per day ,up to or during a blood draw, it can lower your IGF-1 up to 50%..Plus there are other compounds..

There are lot of 'myths' that I will post up (my view). And like I say, fact-check me................AM

Click on.

Absolutely correct. I have personally witnessed one customer's numbers reach 293 on 25 mg of MK/day...and after going on 15 mg/day of Nolvadex for 6 weeks his levels went down to 198.

[Mike Arnold]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

How much assistance lol? 2-5iu?

It would be irrelevant for comparison, unless your baseline IGF-1 level were exactly the same and your personal response to GH's IGF-1 elevating effects were identical...which is HIGHLY unlikely. This is why two people can take the exact same GH at the exact same dose, yet end up with significantly different IGF-1 readings.

[Mike Arnold]

Re: MA (Mike Arnold) Labs Somatozine Log by MuscleAddiction

I'm on day two of one 12.5 mg cap of this product ED (I'm taking after dinner). So far, the main thing I'm noticing is increased appetite (not that it was much of a problem before but now it's out of control). I'm not noticing any unusual fatigue as of yet so I may bump it up to two caps ED in a day or so. (One thing I'm hoping to get out of this product is improved sleep.) No change in body composition but I'm not expecting that for a while.

Will keep everyone posted.

If you're going to get bloodwork, do it before you start...or wait until the next time...because if you don't have baseline levels for comparison, it won't tell you much.

Another thing to keep in mind that is MK-677 has been directly shown to increase lean muscle mass, as has its sister drug, Anamorelin. In fact, it is now used as a prescription drug in Europe for lean mass gain.