Health Care

[xdude]

Re: Health Care

Well several companies have openly said that they are not hiring because of the bill and if it isn't changed they will have to cut hours and possibly lay people off. If they will or not we don't know, but that is their claim.

you know as well as I if it wasn't for Obamcare it would be something else...
every year large corps cut bennies and blame something... but for some reason there is always room for a bigger bonus for the CEO .. you got to questions ..should you shop or go to restaurant that doesn't have basic health care .. I don't shop a walmart for this reason...and the restaurant thing is a little unsanitary IMHO ..

Wendy's before the bill said it could cost 25-50K per store... they are now admitting it will be under 3K

the hotel owner that said he would close the doors, said he would not

I am not saying HC should be free , but every one needs something..

anyone see Jesse from Breaking Bad on SNL last night, talking about Obamacare ?
pretty funny .. there were a bunch of people that would benifit or be effected..
the joke was how confused they were ...

[Exerciseordie]

you know as well as I if it wasn't for Obamcare it would be something else...
every year large corps cut bennies and blame something... but for some reason there is always room for a bigger bonus for the CEO .. you got to questions ..should you shop or go to restaurant that doesn't have basic health care .. I don't shop a walmart for this reason...and the restaurant thing is a little unsanitary IMHO ..

Wendy's before the bill said it could cost 25-50K per store... they are now admitting it will be under 3K

the hotel owner that said he would close the doors, said he would not

I am not saying HC should be free , but every one needs something..

anyone see Jesse from Breaking Bad on SNL last night, talking about Obamacare ?
pretty funny .. there were a bunch of people that would benifit or be effected..
the joke was how confused they were ...

Yes I still eat and shop at places without Heath care. Why? Because no one forces them to work there. I work 30+ hours a week and am in class 25+ hours with work outside the class room being at least 5 hours a week. I do all of this so I don't have to take a shit job. You get out what you put in, in this world. The same reason us meatheads look good and those fat fucks that shove fast good down their throat every meal don't look good. Because we work harder. Why should I work my ass off? I could honestly make more money scamming the government out of money, but I'm not a piece of shit like so many out there are.
Plus I really don't agree with your first statement anyways. Not to mention I haven't heard Wendy's say this ever. Link? Premiums may possibly increase by 40-50%. How do you think we are going to get the people health care? Magic fairies blessing us all with doctors who will work for free? Medicine will be free? NO. It will come from my pockets and I work hard for the little money I make.
Look at the UK. They tax EVERYTHING. Fuck their gas costs over 10 bucks a gallon and more than 6 dollars of that is excess taxes. The middle class and upper classes will pay far too much for their health care. That is how it will get covered. Well that and an increase in taxes.

[Vicious 13]

Taxes need to be increased for one that's a given and my premiums won't go up a bit it will have little to no effect on me and my insurance

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I don't shop at Walmart cause its non union and I simply can't stand the people in them

[xdude]

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Yes I still eat and shop at places without Heath care. Why?

so you believe that there should be an underclass that should not have access..ie the poor should stay sick.

why does everyone think this is going to be free....

you are going to be forced to get insurance .. the insurance companies won...

as for your premiums going up.. well that is entirely possible.. after all it is all controlled by the insurance companies.. with more required coverage , then there should be less people showing up at the emergency room without it ... right now the emergency room is the doctor of choice for those without insurance .. wait until you have to go to the doctor...then go to the emergency.

here is the wendy's link

http://www.dailyfinance.com/on/wendys-cost-obamacare-affordable-care-act/

as for insurance companies.. I believe they are essentially evil

after all we are paying twice as much as England and live shorter lives...
the German's have a totally private service ..however it is non profit and cost a little over half what we pay...

[Exerciseordie]

so you believe that there should be an underclass that should not have access..ie the poor should stay sick.

So I'm going to address this because it's a pretty horrible thing to put into my mouth. I have already stated that everyone that can not afford health care gets it free. So the poor get better...for free.

Also read the comments on that article, they pretty much sums up how I feel. You posted one article saying that Wendy's...blah blah blah. They didn't quote anyone from Wendy's or cite a source for proof. Hell I could post 1000 links here claiming the obamacare will shit. But honestly I have better things to do.

Also can you explain why everyone who can afford it in most other countries, travel here for their major surgeries and so on and so forth.

We have the best doctors because they make the most money here.

Like many have already stated, we will see what happens. There is no point to fight over it. There is also no reason for attacks on each others characters. Try and stick to facts, idk why people are being malicious.

[Layddually2]

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When have I ever been poor I make 90k so does my wife I'm not rich but I'm not poor I'm middle class for every hour I work 2$ goes to benefits. Full coverage which part of the story changed ill try to explain the mix up. I hope this first come off wrong I'm not trying to argue I'm typing very calmly lol but I know my text comes off harsh

Who said your poor?

[Layddually2]

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Vic I want to be wrong because right now I pay $1200 a month. But my spidey sense is tickling my shriveled balls.

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I misread your post sorry layd. I do want the poor to get help but if they are working poor they still should pay a small amount. Drs make the most money here because we've let them get way out if hand that is the problem. If people are becoming doctors to b rich and not to help people that's the wrong reason. Like I said when my wife had her surety this dr came in all cocky o I'm the high risks guys I drive a Beamer blah blah blah. Well guess what he fucked up bad. Guess what mean nothing to him he's not getting sued kaiser is he didn't even own up to his mistake. These docs r over paid and over rated just like he dodgers. And excersieordie I'm not trying to attack anyone or b mean to anyone. When this post opened I was called dumb and uneducated so ie merely said u I think the opposite. U guys had our chance to get Obama out guess what u didn't so I guess maybe there is more people in the country that think like me a bunch of uneducated I guess

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Facts.... Economy is going up housing market is going up construction industry is booming... Sooo what do I say good job Obama and bring on Obama care( I live in SoCal that's what's happening here)

[Layddually2]

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Oh your from Cali it makes sense now. LOL my wife is a nurse so I know some docs personally one has the same title your wife's doc had. He doesn't have an attitude and barely make more than I do. So I think your using this one bad dr to stereotype all dr. That's like saying that black guy is a gang member so all black guys are gang members.

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No in California most doctors are paid very well like someone already said that's y we have the best docs because they are paid the best so they come here

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Even nurses here are paid a grip that's y we are seeing more and more male nurses. X-ray techs as well are paid well and so are ultrasound techs

[Layddually2]

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Cali is a strange place though it's not like that in every state. The hospital my wife works for has already cut back on staff and dr are saying they are gonna retire early because of this. The hospital my wife worked at before is talking about closing and its the university hospital where all the med students train.

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Cali is strange but its still where everyone wants to b... 30 minutes from the snow 30 minutes from the sand rivers lakes u name it that's y cost of living is so high u pay to play