Undiscovered Territory

[chesty]

We have arrived. Trump is the new President elect and will be the 45th president of the United States of America. Now to f he follows thru on being all inclusivee, and hets the gridlock in DC unlocked while keeping taxes at or below current levels, appoint a Constitutional Judge to Supreme Court (someone who will correctly interpret the Constitution without a political agenda like some other judges)

Build our military, back our police officers, restore freedom of religion, as well as no more politically correct speech, and keep his hands off the 2nd amendment and my inalienable right to use a firearm however I see fit so long as it is within the current set of rules for the location I am in. And will take care of all of our veterans and ensure that they are treated like heros each and every day there is still a vet alive and get the VA fixed or tear it down and a new bigger better BA is reborn.


Okay, so Trump won.

[Slayer]

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The People have spoken!!! Now lets see if Trump can live up to the People's Choice!!! I hope so!!!

[Ironguruera]

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The People have spoken!!! Now lets see if Trump can live up to the People's Choice!!! I hope so!!!

Agreed!

[Slayer]

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At least we get to keep our guns IG!!!

[xdude]

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wow you are spending a lot of money for someone that is supposed to keep taxes low...

I suspect that you are in just as much a fantasy land as Donald.
I have hope that he is so swelled a head he will not fall victim to Washington reality.

After all, how can you challenge his beliefs as being non-republican he is the defacto head of the party.

[Willis]

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^^^Are you saying we should keep the taxes how they are now? Also I do not believe he is living in fantasy land at all. Some things are a stretch but the long game will benefit if he follows through.


And IG might not be too happy due to a bill that just passed in our state for a very broad stricter gun laws...It is a smoke and mirrors bill they got passed. It will not help with criminals that the laws in our state has already, it will ONLY hurt law abiding citizens...

[chesty]

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Keeping taxes low will encourage spending and investment Taking away as much money as possible from someone to soend it on ones pet projects is not wise. A judge once said it is one's constituional right to pay as little tax as possible. With investments and proper budgeting we can do all that is needed and have a surplus.

Let's hope he stays outside the establishment and starts a chapter that reinforces the fact that the establishment is bad and the individual is good and that anyone can still become president.

[xdude]

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Keeping taxes low will encourage spending and investment Taking away as much money as possible from someone to soend it on ones pet projects is not wise.

you mean like a giant wall across the Mexico border . Best comment was George Lopez" you know Mexicans know how to dig tunnels "

Let's hope he stays outside the establishment and starts a chapter that reinforces the fact that the establishment is bad and the individual is good and that anyone can still become president.

hope you are right on this one

we have heard a lot of what he for and against, and sometimes those things did not agree . heck sometimes he changed his mind with in a few days .. Surplus is a very long way off, this idea that tax cuts pay for the selves , well that is just plain horse sh*T
didn't work for Reagan, or either of the Bushes. they left office with bigger deficits. Reagan was actually embarrassed by it .

I do believe in re-patrioting money, that may have worked in the 50's when the rest of the world was digging out from WW2 but in this modern age . It is a pipe dream to think we can tax foriegn profits .the rest of the world gave up on that , time we do to.


what does worry me is that statistically, the market does the worse with repub congress and repub president .
here is what I see , cap gain tax cuts, business tax cut, and finally a small tax cut for upper middle class that expires in 2 years.

the atm and marriage tax will stay in place to keep the rank in file voting and believing the lie that they will receive tax cuts .all they get is the crumbs .

[Jinko]

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Bill Clinton left office with the highest surplus ever, and his tax rates were higher than todays rates.

[chesty]

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obama is leaving office with more debt accumulated under his watch than all previous presidents combined. As for taxes I dont believe in my money being taken to pay for pet projects. the lazy the illegals. research on toad sex. etc. My my money earned or inherited is my money not the governments.

I pay close to 50% in taxes between state, federal, local, sales, excise, utilities, etc. That is bullshit. with so little money left where is the ability to invest at n business? Cut tax s across the board, balance the budget by getting rid of all the duplicity in govt, worthless programs, worthless govt departments, etc. I have to balance my check book every month, so should the govt. When I dont have the money, I do t spend it and I save for it, I dont print more money, I dont steal it from a neighbor (taxes) plain and simple I cant afford it I dont get it.

I would like to see a foat tax of like 10-15%, or a national sales tax of like 10-15%. That gets money free m everyone the good the bad and the ugly.

As for a wall build it! You should not be in this country illegally, period! For any reason.

As for business leaving the country its because they are tired of pay more corporate tax than in any other part of the world. Lower corporate tax rate and that will leave money for more jobs more research etc. The so called death tax is the biggest fallacy aside from social security which has been bastardized and mistreated by the social democrats and republicans alike.

So lets give the guy a chance, he is inheriting the biggest mess in our history!

[xdude]

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obama is leaving office with more debt accumulated under his watch than all previous presidents combined.

So did Reagan and both bush left us with recescions.

As for business leaving the country its because they are tired of pay more corporate tax than in any other part of the world.

the rich control the world, they play one country against another for years until they you compare the 1950 to now, corporations are paying far less of the budget , they used to pay 50% now less than 12 and by using tax tricks moving companies offsoure in paper alone.

Apple is great at it , they claim they are going to pay taxes in the US and offset their Irish taxes, then never take the money back to the US,
SO they take the tax break, and never pay the other tax bill. As I said I believe that we should end this asap.
but is a company is selling in the US, making billions, well that should benefit all of us...

the lazy the illegals. research on toad sex. etc. My my money earned or inheriteud is my money not the governments. .

agreed ... here is a copy of the budget

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_States_federal_budget

unfortunately after cutting the toad sex budget , we don''t save that much.
BTW the republican proposal is for 9 billion less to the VA
what we need to do is get out of these foriegn wars, you can not force democracy on people ... that has to be won to be appreciated. or IMHO survive.

like I said we will see,
BTW he is also talking of replacing Obama care , not eliminating.
he wants universal care, which I suspect will be closer to the Mass. plan.

[chesty]

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they did not oeave office with an almost 20 trillion domebt. it was leassbthan half of whatbit is now with Bush and well with Reagan Ibwould half tobdo the math for 1980 dollars but Ibsuspect it was incredibly less than todays equivelent. Plus taxes were than today under Reagan.

As far as apple and other companies like one I work for. They sell a lot tru but they dont employ us workers to the level they do foreigners. Plus we have tobpay them to bring the products back in to sell here, theyvshould be required to pay abtx to bring in goods made outside US if they could have made here using is labor.

At least the markets are doing ok for now which goes against the popular thought they would collapse if he was elected.

Let us see how he does in his first 12 months and revisit the issue.

[xdude]

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they did not oeave office with an almost 20 trillion domebt. it was leassbthan half of whatbit is now with Bush and well with Reagan Ibwould half tobdo the math for 1980 dollars but Ibsuspect it was incredibly less than todays equivelent. Plus taxes were than today under Reagan. .

all I am saying is that since the 80's the deficit is going up to new record levels, because tax cuts do not pay for them selves , ever .
Reagan was beating up Carter about the deficit being 80 Billion and he should be ashamed , Reagan left it was 200 billion

As far as apple and other companies like one I work for. They sell a lot tru but they dont employ us workers to the level they do foreigners. Plus we have tobpay them to bring the products back in to sell here, theyvshould be required to pay abtx to bring in goods made outside US if they could have made here using is labor.

I am just going to agree with you on that one, but I don't see any of those job coming back unless we do the same thing that is done in these 3rd world countries.. openly pollute everything and pay you employees so little then live in shacks , or you tax the shit out countries that abuse their workers and environment..and keep our standard.

At least the markets are doing ok for now which goes against the popular thought they would collapse if he was elected.

Let us see how he does in his first 12 months and revisit the issue.

thank god, I was down about $85K on election night , and it bounced back in the morning..... that was more stress than I needed .
elections always cause a spike , and then it fads.. so you should expect it to go to about where it was the day before ..
Last Obama elections there was a spike down , and then it went back
and in 08 there was a spike up then back down...

[chesty]

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Agrred all points. As for workers state of affairs we will have to see what bappens. All I want is for my money to stay in my pocket I am tired of supporting everyone else and for the go t to stop wasteful spending on pork and barrel crap and other bs stuff security infrastructure technology oil independence military space exploration deep sea exploration earth studies these are good things if you keep the politics and political agendas out.

[xdude]

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well if Reagan can survive bedtime for bonzo ... trump can survive this